Anyone please define Range? Because a 3.6 meter sword should probably have little more than 0 range, and as the zombies now spawn at "random" range, i feel like only if i could attack at 3 range, i would have A LOT more attacks

I really doubt that. How often do you see zombies at ranges of 1-3 inclusive?

Rarely, if ever. Ergo, it is pointless to increase the range.

Posted By Rhys on 28-08-2010 05:33 PM
I really doubt that. How often do you see zombies at ranges of 1-3 inclusive?

Rarely, if ever. Ergo, it is pointless to increase the range.

I dont think its pointless. If a Zanbato had 3 range instead of 0 and you use advance you wont be at 0 range but at 3 so you could hit the zombie twice before the zombie hits you.

You'd only have one round to hit the zombie, I don't see how you could hit twice before it gets you?

But if that's the case, I insist that the zombies' ranges are increased to 2, to make up for the length of their arms.

Really, this is a silly idea.

kendo is considered superior to karate because of the longer reach
you need 3 times more dans to defeat kendo with karate
the man with the sword has reach the karate guy would have had if he was 3m tall

i think it is a valid point

it's just that melee is so underdeveloped right now no one considers all the nuances yet

You'd only have one round to hit the zombie, I don't see how you could hit twice before it gets you?

Round 1
You hit the zombie with zanbato
Zombie has no weapon for range 3, zombie advances 3 yards
Round 2
You hit the zombie with zanbato
Zombie dead or zombie attacks you

You hit twice, zombie hits once

Thats what i meant.

As I said, I really don't see the point in this. Melee hasn't been developed because it's already in a niche of it's own. It has it's own advantages, aka, it doesn't require ammo.

If you use melee, you accept the fact you'll have to be in close quarters. Similarly, I use a gun and accept the fact I must buy ammo for it.

Just because something is realistic doesn't mean it should be ingame. I think it's more sensical to keep all melee weapons as 0 range.

The point is to balance melee and range, since atm range>melee. I accept that range is more expensive, i am a range fighter. But if you are selective with what you kill you can easily afford the cost of the ammo and double it atm you are going to restock. Melee saves you $ but consumes you lot of more SP since best weapon of melee doesnt compare to best weapon of range. It wouldnt give more damage but it would give more possibilities to melee fighter that hasnt have high strength to dodge attacks while giving realism to the game and starters wouldnt be forced to use range at the start if they are aiming to be melee fighters.

balancing damage of melee and guns is silly
the sp should be balanced instead

exp = sp finding ammo + sp firing guns = sp finding healing items + sp fighting melee

i think that range is in yards, when we add knockback we could keep zombies at bay with a spear or a staff

I didnt mean balancing damage, thats silly. I meant giving some melee weapons short range so melee fighters have more variables and gives starters with low strengh posibilities of playing melee so they are not forced to start playing range.

i meat zombies at 1-3 range ALL THE FREGGIN TIME, and thats why i want the Zanbato to have 3 range xD

Posted By CarlBreder on 29-08-2010 01:04 AM
i meat zombies at 1-3 range ALL THE FREGGIN TIME, and thats why i want the Zanbato to have 3 range xD

Lol
Carl, the Zombie Butcher!!!

I have a close combat weapon that is 2 range called the GIANT KUNIA...

Like some weapons like a broom has a longer range than a butterfly knife, simple logic xD

Carl, I just called you the Zombie Butcher because you "meat" them

or to be more grammatically correct, i want to meat them at a rage f 1-3

"FRESH ZOMBIE MEAT! ONLY A FEW WEEKS OLD! GET IT HERE! FFREESSHH ZOMBIE MEEEEEEAAATT!!"


but yeah, i meant meet, but norwegian language crash :|

technically range 0 woud mean they are pretty much on you biteing out flesh. range should be as is for zombies. however the meelee and balistics systems need overhalls. 1-3 for meelee weapons would be great

Yes. And 3 attacks per turn for the chainsaws too, with -30% hit penalty... Please!!!

FREEEEESH ZOMBIE MEAT GIMME THE PADDLE IMMA BEAT SOME ASS!

ChainSaw Should Have Atleast 5 Attacks Per Turn As Most Chains ARE SPINNING @ 2000 RPM.

Lol 5x attacks per turn is great too. I'm willing to sacrifice even 50% hit rate for that!

FTW.

Posted By CarlBreder on 28-08-2010 11:04 AM
Anyone please define Range? Because a 3.6 meter sword should probably have little more than 0 range, and as the zombies now spawn at "random" range, i feel like only if i could attack at 3 range, i would have A LOT more attacks

Ah? Hate to point this out, but a 3.6 meter "sword" is not a sword, that's a 10 ft. long spear. Kind of hard to carry in your backpack.

Rhys:

As I said, I really don't see the point in this. Melee hasn't been developed because it's already in a niche of it's own. It has it's own advantages, aka, it doesn't require ammo.

Respectfully disagree, Rhys. By analogy then, the combat system for ranged weapons is over-developed. All these different ranges and ammunition types and capabilities for all all these different guns is unecessary. Realistic, but for the sake of game-play and simplicity, shouldn't all guns use the same ammo, have the same burst capacity, the same size magazines and the same range? After all, they're all ranged weapons. Why shouldn't a crossbow, M16 and jackhammer all fire the same projectile?
No, I think CB has a point, and I imagine it would not be difficult for the devs to work it into the game. I also don't think it would upset the balance of the game. Melee weapons being what they are, I assume that even if my katana's reach gives me an extra hit at range 1 or 2, I'm still going to have to get right in the zed's face for a second or even third whack. I expect to lose HP once in a while.

Posted By Kahn on 01-09-2010 04:02 AM
Ah? Hate to point this out, but a 3.6 meter "sword" is not a sword, that's a 10 ft. long spear. Kind of hard to carry in your backpack.

It is a 3.6 meter long sword

And the spears should have long range as well, and think, its kinda hard to have a minigun in your backpack too, as well as a M95 at the same time

Or a RPG or 500+ frag grenades or 50,000 bullets of any type.

In my opinion, giving some range to melee weapon is totally reasonable and it will improve gameplay too. As well as multiple attack per turn for the chainsaws! Please, devs please!!!!!!

i'd rather go from splash damage for chainsaws, you go through several zombies at a time

It wouldn't be very good when each zed stands about 10-20 steps away from each other, splash damage couldn't reach the farther ones :-s And it wouldn't work well with hordes either but multiple attacks per turn do help killing them much more quickly