so

weapons out of thin air (3)

43%

proper background, you know (4)

57%

as some you may have noticed, i am an enemy of bullshit, aside my own
we have weapons from all over the world in ZP, the questions is, how did they got to NY?
the same with the shops, i call bullshit on 0.50 rifles being in civillian hands, unless they scavenged them
so, i ask you for some creative input, how COULD they have gotten there?

on a sidenote, SWAT has some freedom when it comes to importing foreign weapons, i have heard

we have weapons from all over the world in ZP, the questions is, how did they got to NY?

Black market.

the same with the shops, i call bullshit on 0.50 rifles being in civillian hands, unless they scavenged them

The shopkeepers scavenged them. They had some spare so they sell them to monopolize money in the pandemic world.

since i can't scavenge them shopkeepers couldn't either
Link: NY gun law
22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm
with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded;
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
or
(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;
(e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an
antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16);
(ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine
that holds more than five rounds of ammunition;
(iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds
of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;
(iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof,
specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was
manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere
fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to
mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or
(v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic
pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this
subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen
hundred ninety-four.
23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September
thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or
that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten
rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include
an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating
only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

S 265.01 Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth
degree when:
(1) He possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic stun
gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal
knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, metal knuckles,
chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type slingshot or
slungshot, shirken or "Kung Fu star"; or
(2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto,
imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon
with intent to use the same unlawfully against another; or
(3) He knowingly has in his possession a rifle, shotgun or firearm in
or upon a building or grounds, used for educational purposes, of any
school, college or university, except the forestry lands, wherever
located, owned and maintained by the State University of New York
college of environmental science and forestry, without the written
authorization of such educational institution; or
(4) He possesses a rifle or shotgun and has been convicted of a felony
or serious offense; or
(5) He possesses any dangerous or deadly weapon and is not a citizen
of the United States; or
(6) He is a person who has been certified not suitable to possess a
rifle or shotgun, as defined in subdivision sixteen of section 265.00,
and refuses to yield possession of such rifle or shotgun upon the demand
of a police officer. Whenever a person is certified not suitable to
possess a rifle or shotgun, a member of the police department to which
such certification is made, or of the state police, shall forthwith
seize any rifle or shotgun possessed by such person. A rifle or shotgun
seized as herein provided shall not be destroyed, but shall be delivered
to the headquarters of such police department, or state police, and
there retained until the aforesaid certificate has been rescinded by the
director or physician in charge, or other disposition of such rifle or
shotgun has been ordered or authorized by a court of competent
jurisdiction.
(7) He knowingly possesses a bullet containing an explosive substance
designed to detonate upon impact.
(8) He possesses any armor piercing ammunition with intent to use the
same unlawfully against another.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.
S 265.02 Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third
degree when:
(1) He commits the crime of criminal possession of a weapon in the
fourth degree as defined in subdivision one, two, three or five of
section 265.01, and has been previously convicted of any crime; or
(2) He possesses any explosive or incendiary bomb, bombshell, firearm
silencer, machine-gun or any other firearm or weapon simulating a
machine-gun and which is adaptable for such use; or
(3) He knowingly has in his possession a machine-gun, firearm, rifle
or shotgun which has been defaced for the purpose of concealment or
prevention of the detection of a crime or misrepresenting the identity
of such machine-gun, firearm, rifle or shotgun; or
(4) Such person possesses any loaded firearm. Such possession shall
not, except as provided in subdivision one or seven, constitute a
violation of this section if such possession takes place in such
person`s home or place of business; or
(5) (i) Such person possesses twenty or more firearms; or (ii) such
person possesses a firearm and has been previously convicted of a felony
or a class A misdemeanor defined in this chapter within the five years
immediately preceding the commission of the offense and such possession
did not take place in the person`s home or place of business; or
(6) Such person knowingly possesses any disguised gun; or
(7) Such person possesses an assault weapon; or
(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree is a class D felony.
S 265.03 Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the second
degree when, with intent to use the same unlawfully against another:
(1) He possesses a machine-gun; or
(2) He possesses a loaded firearm; or
(3) He possesses a disguised gun.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the second degree is a class C felony.
S 265.04 Criminal possession of a dangerous weapon in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a dangerous weapon in the
first degree when he possesses any explosive substance with intent to
use the same unlawfully against the person or property of another.
Criminal possession of a weapon in the first degree is a class B felony.
S 265.15 Presumptions of possession, unlawful intent and defacement.
1. The presence in any room, dwelling, structure or vehicle of any
machine-gun is presumptive evidence of its unlawful possession by all
persons occupying the place where such machine-gun is found.
2. The presence in any stolen vehicle of any weapon, instrument,
appliance or substance specified in sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03,
265.04 and 265.05 is presumptive evidence of its possession by all
persons occupying such vehicle at the time such weapon, instrument,
appliance or substance is found.
3. The presence in an automobile, other than a stolen one or a public
omnibus, of any firearm, large capacity ammunition feeding device,
defaced firearm, defaced rifle or shotgun, defaced large capacity
ammunition feeding device, firearm silencer, explosive or incendiary
bomb, bombshell, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic
knife, metal knuckle knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack,
metal knuckles, chuka stick, sandbag, sandclub or slungshot is
presumptive evidence of its possession by all persons occupying such
automobile at the time such weapon, instrument or appliance is found,
except under the following circumstances: (a) if such weapon, instrument
or appliance is found upon the person of one of the occupants therein;
(b) if such weapon, instrument or appliance is found in an automobile
which is being operated for hire by a duly licensed driver in the due,
lawful and proper pursuit of his or her trade, then such presumption
shall not apply to the driver; or (c) if the weapon so found is a pistol
or revolver and one of the occupants, not present under duress, has in
his or her possession a valid license to have and carry concealed the
same.
4. The possession by any person of the substance as specified in
section 265.04 is presumptive evidence of possessing such substance with
intent to use the same unlawfully against the person or property of
another if such person is not licensed or otherwise authorized to
possess such substance. The possession by any person of any dagger,
dirk, stiletto, dangerous knife or any other weapon, instrument,
appliance or substance designed, made or adapted for use primarily as a
weapon, is presumptive evidence of intent to use the same unlawfully
against another.
5. The possession by any person of a defaced machine-gun, firearm,
rifle or shotgun is presumptive evidence that such person defaced the
same.
6. The possession of five or more firearms by any person is
presumptive evidence that such person possessed the firearms with the
intent to sell same.

S 265.20 Exemptions.
a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
1. Possession of any of the weapons, instruments, appliances or
substances specified in sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05
and 270.05 by the following:
(a) Persons in the military service of the state of New York when duly
authorized by regulations issued by the adjutant general to possess the
same.
(b) Police officers as defined in subdivision thirty-four of section
1.20 of the criminal procedure law.
(c) Peace officers as defined by section 2.10 of the criminal
procedure law.
(d) Persons in the military or other service of the United States, in
pursuit of official duty or when duly authorized by federal law,
regulation or order to possess the same.
(e) Persons employed in fulfilling defense contracts with the
government of the United States or agencies thereof when possession of
the same is necessary for manufacture, transport, installation and
testing under the requirements of such contract.
(f) A person voluntarily surrendering such weapon, instrument,
appliance or substance,
2. Possession of a machine-gun, large capacity ammunition feeding
device, firearm, switchblade knife, gravity knife, pilum ballistic
knife, billy or blackjack by a warden, superintendent, headkeeper or
deputy of a state prison, penitentiary, workhouse, county jail or other
institution for the detention of persons convicted or accused of crime
or detained as witnesses in criminal cases, in pursuit of official duty
or when duly authorized by regulation or order to possess the same.
3. Possession of a pistol or revolver by a person to whom a license
therefor has been issued as provided under section 400.00 or 400.01 of
this chapter; provided, that such a license shall not preclude a
conviction for the offense defined in subdivision three of section
265.01 of this article.
4. Possession of a rifle, shotgun or longbow for use while hunting,
trapping or fishing, by a person, not a citizen of the United States,
carrying a valid license issued pursuant to section 11-0713 of the
environmental conservation law.
5. Possession of a rifle or shotgun by a person who has been convicted
as specified in subdivision four of section 265.01 to whom a certificate
of good conduct has been issued pursuant to section seven hundred
three-b of the correction law.
6. Possession of a switchblade or gravity knife for use while hunting,
trapping or fishing by a person carrying a valid license issued to him
pursuant to section 11-0713 of the environmental conservation law.
16. The terms "rifle," "shotgun," "pistol," "revolver," and "firearm"
as used in paragraphs three, four, five, seven, seven-a, seven-b, nine,
nine-a, ten, twelve, thirteen and thirteen-a of this subdivision shall
not include a disguised gun or an assault weapon.

that's it folks
no legal shop could get their hands on machine guns and assault weapons, and they wouldn't have it in stock
so that leaves us with active and retired police, military and goverment officers, and black market
scavenging wouldn't constitute an infinite supply, limited supply is fine
basically, for most the time, the machine and assault weapons you own were taken from someone's dead hands
this leaves very limited stock

You seem to have an accent...so possibly, you've never been to the United States. Frankly, this game's arsenal of weapons is rather short. It seems to contain only a fraction of what one might find at a Vermont week-end gun show, or the gun locker of your typical Idaho Tea Bagger.

Go on You Tube and spend 5 minutes there. You'll see Americans posting videos of theselves shooting every one of these weapons and I highly doubt that they all possess the restricted firearms license.

not in NY, i bet
but then again, i wouldn't know since i don't live there
still, my point was they wouldn't be at the SHOPS, not unavailable
and since everyone has them, where do they get them?

Here...a bunch of red-neck hicks shooting their .50 cal sniper rifle...

Maybe they're targeting Mexicans crossing the border, who knows.

Welcome to America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATQrLPg6yk

barrett is legal, mind you
aside california, i read

Since when law stopped criminals?
The fact that you cant scavenge the gun doesnt means the shopkeepers didnt scavenge them earlier.
I dont know much about USA but i know its very easy to use guns there. When a pandemic occurs no one would control shops to see if the weapons they sell are legal. Even the shopkeepers maybe are just normal person that recollected guns and started a shop.

Just in case you still have a doubt check this link, its a shop in NY.Link: Shop If you still dont believe me, here is where i found it. Link: Google
In the first link you can see the varies on the guns, there are some that are not in the game.
In the second one you can see the location of the shop in the map.
I am sure like this shop there should be many others with plenty of guns.
I want to change how they came. I said "Black market". After this i would say "Black market and market".

i'm not talking gun possesion here, we're talking industrial quantities of illegal weapons
sure, no one check if they are legal anymore, but getting them all from all powerful black market sounds far fetched, don't you think?
especially in new york, when even having a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip and a telescopic stock is an offense

these should be exceptions, not the norm
sure, they could have gotten them after the pandemic, but i call limited stock on that
enough to start the player market going and that's it

Check the links i showed and you would realize NY is full of guns. And by criminals i dont mean murderers or gangsters, i mean potential arms smugglers.

Yah I imagine it took a while for the infection to take over eveeything. SO there would be a period where people are flying in from all over to help the pandemic. Expecialy if the plotline made it so NY was the first place to be hit. It could explain the mass condinsity of guns from all the soilders and people trying to help kill off the infected.

If you play Left 4 Dead 2 and play with comentary turned on, the dev team talks about how they think the survuvors are getting guns from Iraq. Its quite interesting stuff.

I do think very rare guns should never be generated by NPC salesmen though. If anything drop it off a bad boss zed, and make it sellable. When a shop keaper buys it, they will have 1 of that item, so when someone buy it from them, it will go back to 0 of that item. Id say shop keapers should be limited on ammunition too. xD

it is full of guns, but are those machine guns and assault weapons ?
the link is a prop gun shop, these aren't real
with a licence you can get handguns, shotguns and rifles, not qualifying as assault weapons
that's it

the only machine guns we get is from the dead hands of swat (max 300), and soldiers (a couple thousand at most) and black market
still thinking that black market can rival the legal guns in quantity in silly
therefore, they should be limited in stock

the link is a prop gun shop, these aren't real

Is this game real?

with a licence you can get handguns, shotguns and rifles, not qualifying as assault weapons
that's it

The fact that you cant get them doesnt means they are not there.

we can have various special forces from all over the world then Seth

but do you really think US army would allow it?

Who told you that there are not special forces in the city?. They may be in the city, they are just not where game takes place. The game takes place in NY, that doesnt means NY is the only city infected in the world. Maybe NY was the first place infected thats why there are lot of guns there. Maybe the hole world is infected now so everyone have to take care of themselves, thats why not more special forces from other places in the world are coming.
I think in the middle of the pandemic and not being able to fight the zombies anyone would allow other countries to help, even USA.

the game strives to simulate a pandemic, so aside for the zombies, it's real
unless you want to club zombies with a rubber gun, have fun with that
of course illegal guns are there, just there aren't enough to constitute infinite supply at the shops

there are more legal guns than illegal
much more
this should be reflected by the availability at the shops

also bear in mind, that if someone found/has a gun, he is sitting tight on it, not selling unless he's starving (and even then rather not)
so the guns at the weapons shops are most probably the legal supply they had before the pandemic hit
also, i can't imagine someone selling assault rifle before running out of other weapons
not mentioning stadion militia and campus guard, i mean, they need the assault guns for their people, why would they sell them?
it's the last thing they sell

the only instance i can think of is a lone wolf selling surplus assault guns for food and medicine (not money) - that's Andrew all right

tl;dr
assault guns are uncommon, if not rare, on the market, if they are sold, then in limited quantity

Ok lets give it a limit. What would be the number of illegal guns in NY... 100000?50000?10000?. Lets say there are only 10000 illegal weapons. You cant scavenge them anymore so they should be all allready scavenged from someone else. Okay put 1000 of each "illegal weapon" distributed between the shops. There you have, a limit.
Oh i forgot about the starting of the pandemic in NY so there should be more guns than expected there.
There is no sense in looking for a why or how on everything, there are a lot of possible situations. Still i agree best weapons/armor shouldnt be bought in shops. They should be scavengeable only and very rare. There is no need to give an explanation about it, its just to make them rare and difficult to find.

agreed
i just don't want counter strike feel here, and that's what it feels like now
kill zombies, earn cash, buy more weapons, where's the horror?

Yea i think ,the horror gave way to pure automatics "click, a zed in the way,click attack,click zed is dead. ,click reload and finish,move to next location." Where is the OH SHOOT!!! That zombie Baby is creepy?

Honestly?

It's the end of the world. The handful of survivors would never have a chance of depleting the kind of stocks a NY gun-runner would have, even at a conservative estimate.