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| 26-11-2011 11:22 PM |
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Posted By Maciste on 31-07-2010 01:34 PM
I found't it to be very boring, walking through endless rooms or streets that looked all the same to me, trying to figure out where a damned neighbourhood was with the crappy map the wiki provided (the in-game doesn't give you a clue about where you are such as, for example, the first GTA did), and the character, even running, was slooooooow as a one-legged turtle.
Agreed x 10000. ZP is so much better. |
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RopeDrink
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| 26-11-2011 11:43 PM |
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ZP & DF are two completely different games. Sure, some similar elements (Looting, Barricading etc) but they are milestones apart. A lot of the 'complaints' people are airing here are regarding DF in older states. People who don't play it regularly won't see how much the game is changing per patch. Once they finally release Interiors & Barricading, the whole game will be a damn lot better. Already they've added atmosphere / weather and many other things to improve it. Like ZP, these types of games improve over time, so dismissing a game in it's early stages isn't entirely fair. I do like ZP but I personally find it very dull. I gain in arounds a level per day just roaming around scavanging, built my own safehouse from the ground up and so far there's no real desire to bother exploring further maps. Combat is static and dull, there's little to no multiplayer functionality, even if people can all enter the same areas, chat and 'ressurrect' a fallen comrade, it's still very much a basic singleplayer experience propelled by images. When I first played ZP it had me temporarily hooked - Nowadays I just log on occasionally for the odd daily login bonus, fix my safehouse barricade, maybe loot for a while then log off for days. Having said that, ZP has improved a LOT in a short space of time and I wager it will continue to do so, enough to suck me back in quite easily. Same applies to DF, which I played for about a year then absolutely had to take a break due to boredom - Since then MUCH has changed and I'm back with a vengeance. Meanwhile, in DF, I'm having a tonne of fun moments - Made about 4-5 movies so far all from the last two days of DF gameplay. Funny Boss Fight & Weather Effects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IKhqBHG5RQ Funny Boss Fight & I Am Your Mother: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc13ByLBsNs Triple Flaming Wraiths (Second Time This Has Happened): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SndDsvcKsog At the end of the day, nobody can compare ZP to DF or vice versa, they are worlds apart and will cater to their respective communities very well. Some will love both, some will pitch their tent firmly in one camp - It's all a matter of preference and taste. |
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Emily
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| 28-11-2011 06:02 PM |
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I hated it how you have to keep walking forth and back all the time. It's very dificult to kill something as a beginner, it's very expensive to buy better equip, the inventory is so small that you have to return with every 5 items you pick up (or was it 4 items?  ). Also the map wasn't very helpful, I was totaly lost most of the time. And missions that required you to go further from the Outpost? Hah! You ended up either hungry, badly injured or out of ammo. Or all of the mentioned at the same time. I was frustrated by that after like a week, so I gave up and quit playing DF. Also, I kinda didn't get how to interact with others... all in all, the enviroment was far from user-friendly. And also, I'd like to point out Link: THIS topic about DF  |
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RopeDrink
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| 28-11-2011 06:49 PM |
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I hated it how you have to keep walking forth and back all the time. What... Like every other MMORPG out there?  It's very dificult to kill something as a beginner No... It's not... It's only difficult if you venture too far out to an area higher level than your character. Outside of that, you just need to learn patterns. DF is actually too easy. it's very expensive to buy better equip You shouldn't feel any need to buy better equipment until you're higher level. A new-player can loot decent upgrades from the starting area. Once you reach the 20+ Stage, that is the only point you should consider buying new gear... And by then you will know how to make money to do so. the inventory is so small that you have to return with every 5 items you pick up (or was it 4 items? ). Your inventory grows per few levels as far as I remember. People who just play for a brief period of time (1-5'ish) obviously will just complain. My level 88 character has 30 slots... My 22 Alt has 22 slots. Lower level players have no real need to horde any items. Also the map wasn't very helpful, I was totaly lost most of the time. The map is very easy to understand - It shows the entire game in block-format and shows a basic view of the layout of each block. Yes, sure, it can be annoying have to double check the map often if you're not familiar with the world and want to move from one fort to another - But with time comes familiarity - For the unfamiliar it's as easy as just counting how many blocks per direction you need to go. And missions that required you to go further from the Outpost? Hah! You ended up either hungry, badly injured or out of ammo. Or all of the mentioned at the same time. Missions are typically for players of the higher level range of that Fort. It's not advised to try complete them as a learner. As for being injured or hungry - This ties in with the inventory issue. Food and Meds are one of the more common finds when looting. Open inventory, have some chow, you're back on your feet again. Only real thing needed in terms of Forts are repairs and advanced healing which is to be expected, otherwise nobody would ever go to a fort. Also, I kinda didn't get how to interact with others... all in all, the enviroment was far from user-friendly. You can view the Forums at a Fort, use the CB Radio (IM Chat) at any time, and you can activate multiplayer to play with others in Inner City. And also, I'd like to point out Link: THIS topic about DF How helpful. Hey why don't I go start a "Who likes X" on a different Forum and paste the results here? Above link doesn't really say much other than the ZP Playerbase prefer ZP. I'm sure the DF playerbase prefer DF etc etc Honestly guys, the core reason most people seem to complain is that they take a minor look at the game (not long enough to see it in full swing) and leave. That'd be like me playing WoW for a day or two and telling everyone I thought it was crap when I never even levelled beyond level 5... I'm not defending DF, by the way, just giving some insight. Yes, the game is flawed but, like ZP, it's still a work in progress, one that has been out quite a while and is slowly improving, so seeing a lot of "Yeah, played it for 5mins, didn't like..." comments doesn't do it justice. |
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| 29-11-2011 11:18 AM |
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^You are defending the game, you just dont want hate for it  I didnt like it because the it is a semi-multiplayer based game, the players i tried to talk to ended up screaming at me for being a beginner, the game ends up in a real "Meh" routine xD I played the game for a couple of weeks with a couple of friends, they gave up faster than me because there were other better games  |
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RopeDrink
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| 29-11-2011 12:01 PM |
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^You are defending the game, you just dont want hate for it I deal with hate vs DF on a daily basis - Hell I'm one of the people who post constantly in the Ideas & Suggestions there trying to improve the game. My point was, criticism (justified) is all well and good, but when people bash a game when they've clearly only played it for a short period of time, or talk about it in the older versions (A lot of what people complained about has been patched) then it's not fair to brand something crap to the people who may not have played it when the issue they gripe about had been fixed months ago. I'm not defending it, I'm simply giving updates and discouraging unjust bashing. It'd be like me going to DF Forums and bashing ZP for unknown or nonsensical reasons and anyone there who plays ZP would say "Er, well... You know it's not actually LIKE that... Right?" |
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CarlBreder
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| 29-11-2011 12:10 PM |
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Wait, Hate vs DF? So you're a full time DF playe on the DF forums? Have you ever gotten a ZP player coming over hating on DF? I honestly havent heard about it, but would like to know. We've had so many trolls from DF, you get kinda sick of the community I realize not all DF player are like that, but there seems to be a overflow of the trolls, kinda why i couldnt bother. Is it still just one guy working on it? Are the mods still mostly assholes xD? |
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RopeDrink
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| 29-11-2011 04:11 PM |
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I play both DF and ZP - My simple point is that you can understand a ZP player making defensive statements if a DF player made crude or unjust criticisms against ZP, and vice versa.
Nobody would have much problem with legitimate complaints but the only reason I'm responding is because I notice a lot of the criticism is regarding things that had been changed or fixed long ago so I assume the people who 'quit DF' are those who tried it out a long time ago - It's very different now.
Yes, as far as I know it still has the one sole developer. I'm not sure about the Mods - I know some were total jackasses but as far as I've seen there's a few new ones.
And yes, the community itself in DF is generally immature and contains a lot of trolls and muppets - But there's also plenty of great people, however they understandably keep a lower profile - Much like my DF clan, all very mature people and no trollish nonsense but it's not like we'd infest the DF Forums everyday with our niceties vs the general trolls.
Either way, you can completely bypass the DF community in order to enjoy the game. I mostly play solo (Dont like Multiplayer) and I stick to the Clan Forums and our mature discussions amongst clan-mates and don't bother entertaining the trollish masses that much. |
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CarlBreder
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| 30-11-2011 07:43 AM |
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^Mhm, nice to know, we purge trolls here xD |
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anthony92
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| 05-12-2011 10:29 AM |
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DF was fun when it was 2d.more ppl asked for help and chatted during game.
well the reason i hate this game now is cuz they delete your account in a week if your inactive .i think .
yeah you can be a level 70 bad ass, but be a nobody the next day.
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RopeDrink
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| 05-12-2011 05:16 PM |
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DF was fun when it was 2d.more ppl asked for help and chatted during game.
well the reason i hate this game now is cuz they delete your account in a week if your inactive .i think .
yeah you can be a level 70 bad ass, but be a nobody the next day. @Anthony92 That is without a doubt the most overexaggerated 'complaint' in this thread by miles. One week? Oh Please - My alt sometimes get left for 8-12months without activity. You then get an email warning you that if it's still inactive (And this only happens to characters who've not paid one single GM) then the character will be purged in a week or two. Seriously, complaints like yours really annoy me - The way you say it makes it sound like I could go on a holiday for a week and come back to no character - Absolute nonsense. |
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anthony92
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| 06-12-2011 12:02 AM |
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That is without a doubt the most overexaggerated 'complaint' in this thread by miles.
One week? Oh Please - My alt sometimes get left for 8-12months without activity. You then get an email warning you that if it's still inactive (And this only happens to characters who've not paid one single GM) then the character will be purged in a week or two.
Seriously, complaints like yours really annoy me - The way you say it makes it sound like I could go on a holiday for a week and come back to no character - Absolute nonsense.
1st of all im not complaining.8-12 months is bs.if i was using your estimate it would at least be 1 month.but you clearly said "then the character will be purged in a week or two".
why should they delete your account period.i can't think of any other games that use this method.Also the majority of ppl dont pay into 2d or 3d flash games.
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RopeDrink
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| 06-12-2011 12:24 AM |
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Honestly - I barely play my alt - I took over half a year break at one point - When I came back, it still took another a month or two before I even got the "Warning EMAIL" about how that account hadn't been used in X time, so no, it's not one week, it's not one month. There is plenty of time before an empty account becomes viable for purging.
And, why purge accounts?
You can't think of any other games that do this because the majority of games are pay to play. If I pay a WoW subscription I damn well expect my account to remain intact unless I, personally, delete it.
Now, then there are FTP games which are smaller scale - Why would you keep accounts in the database that are simply not played? The second you pay any money in DF for GM, you will never, ever, have your account deleted via inactivity - And there is so much time before you even become eligible for deletion that "Not" paying is not an issue.
Dead accounts also prevent people using the names used - I have the same net-handle for almost everything - I'd be a bit miffed if I wanted to use it in a game but figured out that it's in use by an account that hasn't been played in a year.
DF3D isn't flash - Even when it was 2D flash, many people pay for it's benefits and many have done for a long time - FTP games are advancing and growing in quality - Majority of them only gain profit in the above manner, where you do not buy the game nor pay subs but have the option to buy materials, bonuses from an optional store - This is actually a very COMMON trend now, actually, so saying nobody pays for 2D or 3D flash games is pretty ignorant. |
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anthony92
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| 06-12-2011 01:15 AM |
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DF3D isn't flash - Even when it was 2D flash, many people pay for it's benefits and many have done for a long time - FTP games are advancing and growing in quality - Majority of them only gain profit in the above manner, where you do not buy the game nor pay subs but have the option to buy materials, bonuses from an optional store - This is actually a very COMMON trend now, actually, so saying nobody pays for 2D or 3D flash games is pretty ignorant.
I seriously dont know where your getting at by mentioning WOW.im clearly talking about ftp games.Besides majority of games are ftp first.Df isnt free if you have to pay for gm ,so your account wouldnt get deleated,but they dont come out stright with that.they give you email notifications later on that you proably wouldnt never check or land in spam.
Sometimes things come up and you need days off.so you never can say account is dead cuz ppl always return.If they played before and if they put alot of hours into the games.oh you say they running out of names seems to be a poor excuse.they simply do it to get there little servers running or w/e.
speaking of ignorance. i said the the majority doesnt pay.DF3d is in fact a flash game.I dont remember installing programs for it to say other wise.
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RopeDrink
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| 06-12-2011 02:22 AM |
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I seriously dont know where your getting at by mentioning WOW. Then re-read my point. im clearly talking about ftp games. So am I, whilst making a point about payment and methods used between paytoplay and FTP to emphasise the issue someone has with account deletion via inactivity. Df isnt free if you have to pay for gm so your account wouldnt get deleated Since when do you need to pay for GM to prevent your account being deleted? You don't. Everything you can 'buy' in DF is 100% optional. Being a GM once makes that account immune to purging due to inactivity - If you don't want to buy GM, you can prevent it simply by LOGGING IN to show your account is actually active. but they dont come out stright with that. It's listed in the GM benefits and/or Email. they give you email notifications later on that you proably wouldnt never check or land in spam. If you don't check your email, make an account using an alternate email you cba to check, or have DF mail sent to the spambox, then it's your own fault, not the game. Sometimes things come up and you need days off. Then take your days off... You wont even be notified of inactivity for over half a year, even then it's just a warning mail that notifies you of the remaining time left, which is usually an extra month. So whats the problem? Answer? There is none. speaking of ignorance. i said the the majority doesnt pay. When did I ever say they did? DF3d is in fact a flash game. Er... No, it's not. I dont remember installing programs for it to say other wise. Ironically, you need to install Unity Webplayer. And, er, what? So by that logic, any game or program that doesn't require "Installation" (in your mind) automatically makes it a "Flash" game? Really? That's pretty silly now, don't you think? |
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anthony92
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| 06-12-2011 02:49 AM |
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Posted By RopeDrink on 06-12-2011 03:22 AM
I seriously dont know where your getting at by mentioning WOW.
Then re-read my point.
---no your clearly off-topic
im clearly talking about ftp games.
So am I, whilst making a point about payment and methods used between paytoplay and FTP to emphasise the issue someone has with account deletion via inactivity
----okay were talking about ftp games.stfu about pay to play.were not talking about subsriptions and stuff like that.
Since when do you HAVE to pay for GM? Anything you can pay for in DF is 100% optional. If you get an email regarding inactivity, all you need to do is log in to let the database know the account is active. You do not have to buy GM to prevent deletion - If you buy GM it prevents your account ever being eligible for deletion via inactivity - In short, one single GM payment will ensure your account can go inactive indefinately with no drawback - It's an option, not a requirement.
-----log in and say my account is active??? how can you log in if your accound has been deleted.wow .excatly u need to buy gm so your account wont be deleted.no one is gonna play this stupid game forever. so eventually the account would be deleted.
It's listed in the GM benedits.
-----yup where every player has read
If you don't check your email, or have DF mail sent to the spambox, then it's not a fault of the game.
-----umm yeah i dont check my emails.
Then take your days off... You wont even be notified of inactivity for over half a year, so whats the problem? Answer? There is none.
the problem is its less then a year.
speaking of ignorance. i said the the majority doesnt pay.
When did I ever say they did?
------right here This is actually a very COMMON trend now, actually, so saying nobody pays for 2D or 3D flash games is pretty ignorant.
durrrrr
Oh, right, because there's no installation it's a flash game... What kind of logic is that? Go to NewGrounds and take a look at what a Flash Game really is... If you think DF3D is Flash, then your understanding of Flash Games is beyond repair.
-----okay then what is DF3d then?
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RopeDrink
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| 06-12-2011 03:29 AM |
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Wow, telling people to STFU - Mature. ---no your clearly off-topic And you're talking through your rectum - But I'm actually making an effort rather than telling you to STFU. log in and say my account is active??? how can you log in if your accound has been deleted.wow .excatly u need to buy gm so your account wont be deleted.no one is gonna play this stupid game forever. so eventually the account would be deleted. I'll feed the Troll and do it in teeeeeny weeeeeny littlee bits. *You make a DF account. *You do not login to that account for 8 months (Or more - I actually don't know how long it is, officially - I estimate it's about a year). *You get an email saying "We notice this account is inactive - Could you please login to show you still intend to use this account - If not, then it'll be deleted after X period of time (Let's just say 2 additional months). So unless you intend to AFK for a whole year, there is no logical way you can have your account deleted. All it takes to prevent it is one measly login - Seriously, unless you end up in critical condition for a year in hospital or something, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from taking 2 seconds once a year to login to your account. The only benefit GM gives here is that it means you don't even have to do that one single login. It is not a requirement, it is an option. The reason this is extended to people who (at least once) bought GM is that it's far less likely to be an account where someone randomly decided to try the game, didn't like it, and left. Anyone who paid for a service in DF is clearly someone invested in it, who are least likely to leave in a hurry. There are countless accounts made every day and there is no indication that those people are staying, other than "Activity" - If an account hasn't seen one single login after a years time, wouldn't you assume it's a dead account? -----umm yeah i dont check my emails. Right, so please state how that is the fault of a game. If you don't check your emails when you have a game or program rigged to send emails to that account, then you are at fault, not the game. the problem is its less then a year. So what? There's a guy in my clan who had taken a break since Mid-2D, right until about 3 days ago. Thats about 1-1.5 years and his account was perfectly intact. How hard is it to log in once a year, regardless of wether you're paying or not? This is actually a very COMMON trend now, actually, so saying nobody pays for 2D or 3D flash games is pretty ignorant. Try re-reading that statement, please. *You said: "Also the majority of ppl dont pay into 2d or 3d flash games." *I said: "Saying nobody pays for 2D or 3D flash games is pretty ignorant." DF is FTP - People pay for the optional services. ZP is FTP - People pay for the optional services. Me debunking your claim that "NOBODY pays for services in FTP games" does NOT mean I'm saying "EVERYBODY does". okay then what is DF3d then? DF3D is a FTP 3D Online MMORPG. It is not Flash - Flash is specifically 2D "Animation". DF used to be a Flash Game, now it has progressed to 3D. |
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CarlBreder
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| 06-12-2011 11:55 AM |
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Seriously guys, STOP REPLYING TO THIS TOPIC!
At this point, it really doesnt matter, take it up in the private messages, work it out there. Please. |
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anthony92
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| 06-12-2011 11:48 PM |
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DF3D is a FTP 3D Online MMORPG. It is not Flash - Flash is specifically 2D "Animation". DF used to be a Flash Game, now it has progressed to 3D.
w/e aside from all this usless and unrelated comments. Dead frontier gets deleted in a few weeks.
Idk why you keeps saying years and months.
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RopeDrink
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| 07-12-2011 12:17 AM |
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A clan-mate gave me the actual info.
The time it takes to be regarded as "Inactive" is determined by level. The higher you go, the more time - Once you get to a certain level, regardless of GM, you never ever get deleted.
This makes a lot more sense in the grand scheme of things. Inactive low level accounts have a short period of time, higher levels, much greater time, go beyond a certain level, never get deleted. Not a bad system, really, cleans out any inactive accounts and those who are invested in the game (via higher level or GM) avoid this procedure totally.
The rest wasn't useless comments, you just can't handle a debate. Either way, thats the system.
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CarlBreder
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| 07-12-2011 06:54 AM |
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Oh for the love of god, will you stop already? |
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| 14-12-2011 07:28 PM |
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I have been there when DF was one demo and an empty forum. Then it was 3 demos, me and other 2 guys as Moderators, and the Black Dragons as a 100+ members clan (the online game wasnt even released yet by then). This was when? 4, 5 years ago? I cant recall now. Ive contributed important ideas such as the outpost itself, been granted unique items, permabanned hundreds of trolls, helped thousand of newbs, humilliated millions of n00bs...
I invested years of my life on DF, till I realized Neil Young was being unfair in many ways. He is a kid, after all, and he proved us, the really old and loyal players, he wasnt really interested on the post apocaliptical atmosphere, except he watch it as an economical opportunity...and his lack of imagination, added to his silence toward claims of justice, made that community intoleranble for who was the most contributive member of it. It was once the perfect zombie community. But it was doomed to crumble, because its creator has many flaws.
The Black Dragons and the Fenrir Fangs will never dissappear. We are now here, enjoying this game, and studyng this community.
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Aresous
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| 01-04-2012 02:24 PM |
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I found ZP from the DF forums. Liked it so much I renewed my subscription 2 times. Name is OneToo if you'd like to add me. Awesome game, can't wait until they bring back barricading. |
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