Hmm...I think that the water purifier should make your water restore more hunger after you put it in the purifier =3

Posted By Spiderjerusalem on 22-09-2011 02:59 PM
But, if push need come to shove, you also "magically" got your tshirt, 9mm and assorted items out of thin air. It is not unreasonable to add at least one reusable water bottle to that list.

*sigh*
(face-palm)
AGAIN Spidey-mann.....you're missing my point completely

Before this turns into ANOTHER flame war between the two of us allow me to ask you a few questions to help clear things up a little

When you said that maybe the water purifier won't require empty bottles
......did you mean that you would just walk up to it and it would GIVE you a full bottle even if you don't have any empty bottles in your inventory?
....or without having to add a collection of empty bottles before hand?

Because that's where the lack of realism in your post kicked in for me.
You have to add building/barricading materials to your safe-house storage inventory to build a room or barricade the front door
.....so it only makes sense to have a collection of empty bottles to deposit into the recycling bin to add fresh water to your inventory from the purifier, right?

And as for your crack of "magicly" getting "assorted items"
.....it's a baseless rant
The RNG's mechanics don't allow for "magic", you get what you get regardless if you get anything at all.

I got my "t-shirt, 9mm and assorted items" with luck and a roll of the dice....same as everyone else.
Magic had nothing to do with it.

I only made the reference to make the point of where the empty bottles come from.

When you said that maybe the water purifier won't require empty bottles
......did you mean that you would just walk up to it and it would GIVE you a full bottle even if you don't have any empty bottles in your inventory?
....or without having to add a collection of empty bottles before hand?

My original post stated that, considering the ease of acquiring a used plastic bottle, it would make little sense to actually have to scavenge for them. So that'd be option 1 on your list.

Because that's where the lack of realism in your post kicked in for me.
You have to add building/barricading materials to your safe-house storage inventory to build a room or barricade the front door
.....so it only makes sense to have a collection of empty bottles to deposit into the recycling bin to add fresh water to your inventory from the purifier, right?

Do you think it would make sense to scavenge for glass when half the city is made of it? There's a level of "so common you shouldn't have to scavenge for it" that I believe an empty plastic bottle fits into. You may disagree, it is now obvious that devs disagree as well. Which is fine with me, it's not exactly a game breaking decision and I understand the logical context of their decision.

And as for your crack of "magicly" getting "assorted items"

Alas I cannot claim ownership on that particular "crack", since you were the one who first made it stating that:

Are they going to magigcaly appear out of thin air full and find it's way into your inventory?

So.. yeah. Rocks, glass houses, etc.

.....it's a baseless rant

Well let's see.. my "rant" on magic bottles is... 3 lines long. I don't think that quite qualifies as "a rant" in anyone's book (except yours, of course). "Baseless"? I believe I explained my reasoning properly. Negatively adjectivating against someone's opinion does not make your own point of view any more correct.

The RNG's mechanics don't allow for "magic", you get what you get regardless if you get anything at all. I got my "t-shirt, 9mm and assorted items" with luck and a roll of the dice....same as everyone else.
Magic had nothing to do with it.

To my knowledge everyone gets a 9mm snub and a tshirt, plus a few odds and ends. EVERYONE. There is no luck involved. No "roll of the dice". We all get the same starter kit when the game begins. Which, in my opinion, could perfectly (and realistically) contain an empty (or full) water battle. Which could be reusable later on.

So, if you find it more logical and realistic that you would find a 9mm snub nose in your possessions and/or in the starting location than an empty bottle of water... I think there's not much more to discuss.


PS: I could make a new character just to check starter gear but I can't be arsed. Even if the starter kit varies somewhat there are certain basic items that I know are always there (9mm, tshirt). A water bottle could realistically always be part of that starter kit. So that's really a moot point to debate over.

Sorry it took so long to do this.....life outside ZP over-ruled my want/need to "play" the past few days
....but now that I'm here, let's get out on the dance floor and cut a rug shall we

Well y'see Spidey-mann
.....sometimes yer posts can be kinda vague and overly critical

Don't get me wrong.....allot of times your posts can be rather insightful and informative.....sometimes to a fault.
On some of your posts that I've read in various threads you go into too much detail and spend way too much time trying to force-feed your point to everyone who has a counter point to what your saying.
Not that that's a bad thing, your commontary has been quite helpful on a number of occasions.....hey, someone has to be the Devil's Advocate, right?
but.....
Other times you don't delve enough into the details of what you're saying so that we (myself in particular) can get where you're coming from.

Example......
When you said that "maybe the water suplier won't require empty bottle[s]" you didn't go into too much detail of the mechanics of how that would work.

Hence my asking if they would magicaly appear out of thin air.
Your response was kinda vague so I wanted to know what you ment by that.


Example #2.....
(which you just touched on in the above post)
When you said that "....you "magically" got your t-shirt, 9mm and assorted items" I was under the assumption that you ment while looting when you were actually refering to the items you start out with in the begining after signing up to play ZP.....which you gave no indication of and I had to wait to find out what you ment by reading your last post.

Hence my comment regarding the difference between luck and magic

Say what you mean and mean what you say
I only point this out because you've misquoted me twice so far in 2 different threads and taken a few things I've said out of context on numberous occasions.
You can say what you you want about me but at least I try to make myself clear on the first try and I'm not above going into detail on anything I say.....if you'd just ask

WOW.....ok...so I like, have nothin further to add
.....but I'm just awed that there are 1025 views on this thread
.....any further POV's on this for the sake of curiosity?

lol... you guys...

I guess the greenhouse will also need the water purification facility